i posted this on another thread but thought it might be as well to stick it in the right forum.. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
blood.
references.
If I can't use whole blood as in transfusions, but can use blood fractions and not violate the societies blood ban, then why can't I have sex outside of marriage as long as I use a condom and no fluids are exchanged or there is no direct tissue contact? The reasoning seems sound to me in either case.
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son." Dean Vernon Wormer, Faber College
i was having quite an intense disscussion (ok, argument )with some of my family last weekend.. my brother said in answer to some points that i raised , that the society has scholars who do research and will have the answer to my questions.. i said i know of no sholars in the society, he said thats because the world does not recognise them as such.what i ment (but did not continue saying as the conversation changed direction , again) was that the people who do research and study for the society arent really scholars as they are not free to look for the real truth only to confirm what the society says.their skills are really knowledge of the societies beliefs.. well it is true that a scholar is just someone who has a great knowledge of a particular subject.so you could argue that the society does have scholars as they are people with great knowledge of the organistaions rules .but what must people would mean my scholars are people who put a great deal of time and effort into research and study of an issue as to whether it is true or false, real or make believe.. can the society have scholars in that sense?.
well a recent watchtower article stated that we could not even have private opinions on bibles matters.. in order to research whether a certain witness view point was valid or not you would have to entertain the idea that a certain viewpoint could be wrong.
but this would put you at odds with the society , as you cannot think differently even privately your own opinions on bible matters.
IslandWoman:
While I have great admiration for Ray Franz and Dunlap, I don't think either of them considered themselves to be scholars, nor were they
recognized as such by academia. I think obviously they are very bright men, but the term scholar denotes an achievement of expertise and letters in a particular field. The WTS so bastardizes the orginal Bible texts in order to support their doctrines, that no "scholar" would dare be associated with them.
Perhaps you are correct about some well meaning, bright people waiting at HQ for an opportunity to set the ship aright, but a really smart person, knowing the truth about the WTS would most likely leave and either join another group of likeminded people or form his/her own group of likeminded people.
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son." Dean Vernon Wormer, Faber College
most people are under the impression that the watchtower.
don't break up families, well people lets give them a. few examples.
since i left the jehovah witnesses my mother .
Sometimes I wish my mother would shun me. But I've never been DF'd or DA'd so she won't. Everytime I see her now she starts weeping and begging me to read some of the WTS mags and books she gives me. I try to be the kind son, but it's very hard to do, knowing what I know about JW's.
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son." Dean Vernon Wormer, Faber College
i am shocked at the many accusations against jehovah's witnesses in this forum.. i know that i am young, but most of my family are jws and they are good people and i love them.
even my worldly family is very nice and i do not shun them.
the friends in the hall are very nice also.
YES!
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son." Dean Vernon Wormer, Faber College
i was having quite an intense disscussion (ok, argument )with some of my family last weekend.. my brother said in answer to some points that i raised , that the society has scholars who do research and will have the answer to my questions.. i said i know of no sholars in the society, he said thats because the world does not recognise them as such.what i ment (but did not continue saying as the conversation changed direction , again) was that the people who do research and study for the society arent really scholars as they are not free to look for the real truth only to confirm what the society says.their skills are really knowledge of the societies beliefs.. well it is true that a scholar is just someone who has a great knowledge of a particular subject.so you could argue that the society does have scholars as they are people with great knowledge of the organistaions rules .but what must people would mean my scholars are people who put a great deal of time and effort into research and study of an issue as to whether it is true or false, real or make believe.. can the society have scholars in that sense?.
well a recent watchtower article stated that we could not even have private opinions on bibles matters.. in order to research whether a certain witness view point was valid or not you would have to entertain the idea that a certain viewpoint could be wrong.
but this would put you at odds with the society , as you cannot think differently even privately your own opinions on bible matters.
NO!
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son." Dean Vernon Wormer, Faber College
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/highschool/lake/orl-lkllemon16011602jan16.story?coll=orl%2dnews%2dprint%2dasec.
coach won't let surgery stop him.
by josh robbins.
Scully:
That's an interesting point you make about blood transfusions and surgery for this disorder. My next door neighbor has the same disease and his doctor has been treating him with a drug. So far it has lowered his red count down to normal levels. I suppose there could be variations of this disease that require different treatments, but your point seems valid here.
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son." Dean Vernon Wormer, Faber College
Personally the only noise associated with sex around here is me whimpering when I don't get any.
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son." Dean Vernon Wormer, Faber College
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/highschool/lake/orl-lkllemon16011602jan16.story?coll=orl%2dnews%2dprint%2dasec.
coach won't let surgery stop him.
by josh robbins.
My son plays AAU baseball on a team here in Jacksonville and has played against Chet Lemon's AAU teams for the past three years from 11 through 14 years of age. My wife has had numerous phone conversations with Chet and his wife Gigi regarding AAU tournaments and games and during all of these years we had no idea that Chet was a JW. We knew he had been very ill from time to time, but not that he was a dub.
Since I'm not a doctor I would never make any recommendations to him about how to treat his illness, but I would hate to think that refusal of any treatment, because of the weird pronouncements of the WTS on blood transfusions might cost him his health or life.
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son." Dean Vernon Wormer, Faber College
one of the many things that totally amazed me when i first read ray franz's first book was the way in which jw's bribed the authorities to get their "pink slip" to say they had completed military service.
not only that, they were also listed as reservists for the mexican army.. does any one know if those jw's are still listed, and if so, shouldn't they be d?a's by their actions?
?
Fredhall:
The Mexican army is no place for pussies. Don't join!
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son." Dean Vernon Wormer, Faber College
my teenage son approached my husband and me yesterday to inform us that he wants to get baptized at the summer convention.
ugh!.
he hasn't shown an interest in witness things for several months until a cousin from up north came to visit and took him out in service all day.
Tweetie:
I didn't get your response to my suggestion. Does that mean you are not going to follow it?
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son." Dean Vernon Wormer, Faber College
